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Friday, November 26th, 2010
9:14 pm
How do NTs handle stress?
Saturday, February 20th, 2010
4:13 pm
mbti has been resurrected!

I noticed that the former mbti community had been deleted and purged, so I decided to resurrect it. Unfortunately this doesn't preserve membership information, so if you were a member of it before and would like to be a member of the new one, you'll have to actually go and join the new one.

I'd appreciate it if you guys could join and spread the word to other MBTI communities you belong to... and hopefully we can get some discussion going again!
Saturday, October 4th, 2008
11:03 am
Rational Romance
What are the qualities you desire in a partner for relations?

How do you pursue (or did pursue, if you are currently in a relationship) finding an individual exhibiting those qualities you desire?

How important is each of the following components in your relationship: emotional, sexual, intellectual compatibility?

Finally, what MBTI types seems to work best for you as a partner? What types are the worst?
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2008
10:31 pm
I recently overheard two NTs at my work discussing how they typically relate to the villains (and even cheer them on) in the stories.  Out of curiosity, does anyone here relate to villains more than heroes/protagonists?  If so, who and why?
Thursday, March 27th, 2008
6:30 pm
Type profiles
Is there anything in your type profile that might be off or inaccurate for you?  In other words, a stereotype that's not true?
Sunday, September 30th, 2007
2:54 pm
Robots vs Aliens
The latest Heroes comic, "Flying Blind", seems to be about N vs S. I'm rather curious... What are your reactions to the comic? What does the comic say to you, and do you agree with it?
10:43 pm
T versus F.


It seems that up to 84% of women can have the F indicator.

While up to 66% of men can have the T.

So, are women predisposed to their own genetic glass ceiling?


ps: bonus marks for evolutionary biology analogies. ;)

12:21 am
N's versus S's...

Ok, I wanted to get across a concept that I have about NT versus the S so I need to put this up as a separate post ;)

I'm an INTJ with an IQ measured around 135-145 so forgive my absolute analysis, pondering....  Arrogance, conceit and anything else...

Anyway,  I believe there is 2 types of N (Across a normal distribution curve probably) and that there is 1) an N that is a function of continual conscious thought. Effectively the N is the subconscious T (It is like autosuggestion as you intuitively subconsciously know the answer e.g. it "feels" right. Then there is 2) The N that isn't primed with lots of T. The intuition that is based on a lack of information from the T and given the N it lacks the cover of the S to bridge the perception gap. 

So, if you really had a strong T then the N becomes pretty powerful, it’s like the hard disc drive capable of reacting far quicker and more complexly than can be achieved by straight out Sensing. (It’s the difference between linear straight line thinking and spherical thinking - Think sphere and line and you'll understand). 

From the above I think the NT combination can leverage each other or at the other end of the scale perform below a ST combination. 

Why is the ST combo good/great at university and for the modern work environment?

Well. Sensing and thinking is what University courses require, it’s what structured organizations want. Intelligent drones.

But at the higher levels... the NT's really come into their own. I'm prepared to debate why... or about this thread.. want to lock horns? :D

Monday, September 24th, 2007
9:42 pm
NT women and shoes
Is it common for NT women to not care for shoe shopping and to prefer shoes that are comfortable over those that are fashionable, trendy, or sexy? Read more...Collapse )

Current Mood: curious
Tuesday, August 21st, 2007
8:46 am
too much N?
I was wondering if being over 95% iNtuitive and having a nearly nonexistent Sensing function could be an impairment.

Multiple persons have noticed my lack of common sense- never mind I'm almost 30 and have all my body parts intact and have never gotten into trouble with the law.

But the reason that I'm asking this is because I have recently seen many of my high school classmates on Facebook have become physicians and veterinarians. Some of them were in the low groups, or the average groups- and got average grades in high school. My own brother, while a good student, was not gifted like myself and did not quite get straight A's in high school. He's a veterinarian now. He's ESTJ 8w9.

I was class valedictorian. Straight A's in as advanced groups as they could get. Highest test scores ever. Winner of every academic competition there was. Got a free ride to undergrad. And what am I now? A librarian. Which is probably the most iNtuitive profession around, since we deal with so many abstract things. I had a hard time finding the right field for me- but this may be another issue. I love being a public librarian. I love working with kids and young adults- not to mention it allows me to apply my passion for anime and manga and video games :) I use my intelligence and knowledge quite a bit- languages, science, you name it. It's a great match for me- but I do not make all that much money, and I wonder how many people are scratching their heads as to why someone as intelligent as myself did not become a doctor.

My question is- would my classmates being Sensors have made it easier for them to become doctors? Would my extreme iNtuitiveness be an actual hindrance? The classes I had trouble with in college (it was a hard school overall, plus I had a hard major and was in the Honors program) was due to the details getting way too minute. I cannot imagine myself doing surgery- too detailed and I would need to be much more cautious and I'm way too absent minded. I tried engineering as a major, but it was too technical and I'm much more creative and big picture person (my ISFJ 9w1 uncle is a mechanical engineer). Could my extreme iNtuitiveness be also blamed for my having trouble managing behavior, since I would get distracted or too focused on something other than the students.

What could be other drawbacks about having too strong of an iNtuitive function? Or any function for that matter?

ETA- my personality type is ENTJ 3w4 sp/so/sx

Current Mood: curious
Saturday, June 30th, 2007
12:22 pm
Ns versus Ss
I was having a discussion with an ISTJ friend last night, and she expressed some dismay at an attitude she'd come across in an Intuitive community - that is, the idea that Sensors are somehow inherently inferior to Intuitives. She'd come across many statements along the lines of "I could never be close friends with a Sensor," and "Sensors are boring!" and the like.

It's certainly an attitude I've noticed myself, and I can't help wondering exactly where the Sensing-hate comes from.

It's true that I've noticed that some Sensors don't share the interest in ideas that Intuitives tend to have, which can be frustrating and lead to discussions that feel far too truncated. But from there to dismissing Sensors altogether seems fairly extreme.

So, fellow rationals members: what do you think of Sensors? Why? Do you have Sensing friends and loved ones? Is there a real communication chasm between Ns and Ss? What causes it, and what can be done to bridge it?
Thursday, January 11th, 2007
10:21 am
Helping vs Being Helpful
spiritonparole requested that I reprint this post for discussion here. I've included some of the discussion she and I had at the end of the post.

Something gelled in my head recently. The words are still slippery but the concept is solid.

I don't like being helped.

I like being offered aid, knowledge, opinions, solutions, tools, and support. I like recieving those things when I ask for them and need them. I just don't like being helped... especially when it is unsolicited and for something that I don't see as a problem. (This post by urbanmonk expresses some of that concept.)

My distain of being helped may seem confusing because helping and being helpful are both morally lauded concepts in our society. It is morally right to be helpful. It is an ideal that we are admonished to follow. However there is a huge difference between helping and being helpful. Consent, respect, and outcome define the difference.

Helping respects the other person by gaining their consent before acting. Helping acts can be refused or accepted. They do not carry expectations or obligations of acceptance and gratitude because they aren't about the giver. Whether or not an act is a helping act is determined by the outcome. How the reciever feels about it, whether or not it was actually useful, and whether or not the reciever approves are the meters by which helpful acts are measured.

Being helpful is a unilateral action that does not respect the other person and does not seek their consent. Being helpful is about the giver and how they see themselves or want to be seen by others. The person being helpful conciously or unconciously wants to feel superior to the person being helped, they want to feel helpful. The desired outcome is about them and their image. The person being helpful acts without consent because they know better or because "they are just trying to help". This type of help implies that the other's judgement and skills aren't sufficient to deal with the issue, make decisions about the issue, or perhaps even to see the issue. It is unilateral action which does not respect or require consent. It disregards the ability and right of the other person to make thier own decisions. A suggestion or an opinion may be dismissed or disregarded easily while this type of help is presented to the other person with the expectation that it will be used and that the recipient will be grateful. This is an unasked for obligation.

It's the difference between "Do you need help?" and "I'll do that for you".

It is wrong to force your help on another person. It is wrong to expect them to be grateful or thankful to you for forcing your help on them. Your judgement may be 'better' and it may produce a 'better' result. However, they still have the right to refuse your help. They are the ones who get to bear the responsibility for thier decisions and face the consequences of their actions.

It can be very difficult dealing with people who are being helpful rather than helping. They usually aren't obvious bullies and often they really do want to help in addition to looking/feeling helpful. Some of them can't see the difference between being helpful and helping. Many of them are people we care about or who care about us; family, friends, partners, teachers, religious figures, therapists, and well meaning strangers. As I mentioned previously, both helping and being helpful are considered virtues in our society. They are considered good. Being helped is something we are expected to feel grateful for. It can be very difficult for someone to stand up for themselves and state that the help that has been forced on them with the best of intentions is not wanted. Saying that to someone who as invested in being helpful hurts their feelings because it denys them their good feelings. Saying that is considered being ungrateful. This puts the reciever in the horrible postion of being punished for objecting to something that is being pushed on them without their consent. This isn't right. This isn't helping.

The opposite of being helpful is acting respectfully.

I'd rather be treated respectfully than be "helped".

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10:19 am
Since so many NT's claim to be cynics I thought this article would be of interest here.

"This disconnect between expectation and reality gives budding cynics a feeling of helplessness, prompting the emergence of a hallmark of the cynical personality: the sense that nothing anyone does in life really matters."

The whole article (two pages) is here:
Thursday, December 28th, 2006
10:25 pm
having no feelings
Have you ever been accused by non-NTs of "having no feelings"?

Just because I do not express affection like normal people do does NOT mean I have no feelings. On the contrary, I am quite compassionate and sensitive. I just do not have the same priorities that SJs do.
Thursday, December 14th, 2006
9:29 pm
Mental Health
What influence does mental illness if any have on personality? say someone suffering from depression would display some characteristics of a feeling personality-..or someone that is bipolar and doesnt know it may seem to show characterisics of an artisian-taking risks, ect.

Or if someone is under high amounts of stress, wouldnt that change the results of the test? (example) I have a friend who is a bit like me, and in the past he tested as an NF, he recently took the test a few times and came up as a Guardian but I think it may be because he is in a highly stressful job right now and is also having some emotional/mental issues..comments?

Current Mood: nerdy
Wednesday, November 22nd, 2006
2:00 am

My names Jamie, im interested in meeting NT people, because theres just not that many of you. I think that I have only met 2, in my life.

Im an artist and a full time cosmetology student. I took the Meijers Briggs in college when i was 20 I scored a XNXP, but I didnt think that the NT description really fit me at the time..but now I dont feel like the NF description really fits me so im confused. Im 26 now..I also recently took a few online sorters and came up as an NT..

Anyway, I look forward to possibly making some friends on here so feel free to email me or whatever.

Saturday, October 28th, 2006
8:45 pm
two NTs = the chemistry of two noble gases?
How are relationships between two NTs?

I have observed that usually, things stay very objective and there is hardly any discussion about emotional life. This has happened both in platonic relationships- such as my best friend and I- as well as in romantic ones. It almost feels like two noble gases that will have no chemistry.

How is a romantic relationship where neither one has a clear F? Is there much romance or soul searching?

How much would enneagram types add to this? Would it be a variable at all?

I cannot think of any fictional relationships where both characters were NTs, except for one in an anime and it was more implied than outright explicit.
Friday, October 20th, 2006
3:05 pm
Lifestyle Tastes and MBTI Type
INTP here, which is why I had a friend of mine go over this before posting, and apply her mad INTJ skillz to making it clear:

She and I have been discussing voluntary simplicity, and how odd it is that I, here in the US, have encountered it mostly as a side-effect of religious avocation (i.e., with the Amish, the Shakers, etc.), while, she, in Europe, sees it primarily as a lifestyle chosen by left-wing academics.

Now, voluntary simplicity, to me, seems like a term that could be defined an awful lot of ways. I think it’s more a matter of what count as luxuries, and what as necessities. For instance, my ex-husband, an ENFP, defined pretty much everything (premium-quality hotel stays, several times a year, dinner regularly eaten out at sit-down restaurants, new toys for the kids) as a necessity, and used to run up credit card bills when he couldn’t pay for his necessities out of our income. I won’t say I’m exactly the opposite; a lot of what he saw as necessary struck me as sinful waste, but there are certainly luxury items that I would not want to go without.

Here’s my question for the day: Would any of you be willing to share your own luxury vs necessity lists? I’m going to start out here with my own.

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Now, your lists folks?
Sunday, September 24th, 2006
7:09 am
Personality Type and Sexual Approach
lynkemma and I were talking. About RPG’s, actually, which are, at least on LJ, frequently chock full of the most gratuitous kinds of smut (that’s a big part of the fun, heh heh). She is, in my opinion, one of the masters of the form, while I am, by comparison, only mediocre.

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Tuesday, August 22nd, 2006
3:38 pm

in regards to the censorship in this thread, I humbly request a small defiance :



(yes... I've had a very bad month)

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